His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Im quite sure its something simple. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. i know the v12 has its self regulating gas system in which its basically supposed to be able to handle all types of rounds, and i also know that some weapons need a "break in period" to be properly evaluatedbut, from the people ive talked to who are familiar with actual kalashnikovs, im told there isnt supposed to be any play in the gas piston itselfand thats the only explanation i can come up with for this FTE issue. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. same concept as the ar15 and ak47, lots of loaded mags and fire away, amazing with Pumpkin shoots! Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. I know that you have probably done this, but make sure your gas puck (I think that is what it's called) is installed in the correct orientation. Speaking only for myself, Im glad to trade the pretense of mathematical objectivity for reviews that are an honest reflection of an informed persons opinions and preferences. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. Im not a big fan of thin pieces of metal jutting out off a firearm, especially near my hand, and especially when Im going to fire slugs through it. Watch the video and notice how the bolt carrier bounces off the receiver when it slams home. If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. I keep a competition Beretta for skeet shooting and my mossberg 500 and Benelli m4 share the roll of home defense. The problem arises when optics of certain shapes / sizes are placed on the rail in such position that a shell ejecting can hit the optic (think eotech) slowing/stopping/bouncing the eject . But what if it is intended to be like that? Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! Comes standard on the CR-12 an KL-12. Sign In; Register . But it was an easy decision. Thats no different than saying I tested a Delton AR15 that jammed so this Daniel Defense AR15 is an inferior weapon to a Winchester 70.. There are a lot of internet experts out there. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. Thats what I thought. But a fun range gun with 20 round drums. By The Vepr-12 is manufactured in numerous variations, each with a unique designation. Are there otherwise drum magazines to this weapon? True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. 1 buckshot pellets. Toggle navigation. Dew out of the air after it was fired by my can cannon, so I really need this resolved because I have serious uses for it like shooting two cans of dewy from the sky. Guess ill just keep running hot loads through it (which is never something to complain about lol) in hopes that i can one day dump a full 10 round mag without a FTE OR it costing me $1 per trigger pull lol. This is a really poor inaccurate review. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. Description THIS IS JUST THE SLEEVE - REPLACE YOUR WORN OUT SLEEVE Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily. I had new in box Saigas with crooked gas ports and not enough gas ports. A stock AR15 generally works and could be used to compete in 3 gun though not optimally. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. You simply cant hold the shortcomings of the Saiga against the VEPR. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. If I were looking to drop that kind of scratch on a semi auto 12 gauge its going to have pretty wood furniture. Weight w/o Magazine: 9.7 lbs / 4.4 kg. It was wisely placed here making it ambidextrous. VPR-12-81. First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? Have you disassembled your weapon at all? One, makes me not the least bit interested in any more reviews you personally write and second it makes me question the vetting process for reviewers/writers here at TTAG. I think for what it is not priced bad at all. To do this, simply remove the dust cover and the recoil spring assembly so that you have access to the tang. I did quite a bit of research b4 buying this weapon and tht seemed to be a recurring theme amongst the ppl having "issues" with the gun so i made sure i wasnt limping it at all. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. Accuracy: * * * * One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell it's still a solution looking for a problem. Ratings (Out of Five Stars): Hornady is one of the few companies that is honest about pellet size too. Due to Russian law, domestic and many export versions of the shotgun are equipped with a disconnector that will render the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded (only if the length of the weapon gets less than 800 mm). It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. Resolving feeding and ejecting problems of Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 shotguns. Maybe your reviews should mention some of these things, or maybe youre not so inclined. The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. He might learn something. Your bolt could also be an issue, but I would have to see pictures.Let me know if you upload any new pictures, and I'll take another look. VEPR 12 Shotgun Good or Bad? Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? Ive owned both. There is a little round button just behind the mag well, press that bitch up and rack the bolt. I actually decided to put the Molot muzzle brake (well, the Carolina Shooter Supply brake knockoff) and YES, it significantly reduces recoil on the gun! Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. Next time to the range Ill polish the gun. ak47-for-sale Pasted as rich text. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. In comparison to what it would take to get a Saiga 12 to the Vepr 12 level of quality, $1200 was still a great deal. You can also connect 2 together doubling your capacity. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. I took a look at my Vepr 12 and I cannot see any differences between yours and mine. Reply. With the VEPR-12, it looks like some of those problems have been fixed. Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? Shh! I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. The SF short mags are prolly the best buy for power and other uses, but the max barrier penetration loads have more ass. I'm not saying that Shannon's custom polishing job is the answer for everyone, but it definitely worked for me when all the cheaper options were exhausted and may be just the fix for you. That may be. A notch on the operating rod allows the user to hook the piston and pull it out to the rear for cleaning.[3]. Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. If you want a flimsy plastic lightweight mag, the AR-15 awaits. I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. This review is full of inaccurate information. What do you use it for? It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Eureka!! There is a bolt hold button on this gun that he is getting confused with the bolt release lever. Although I like both these guns, shooting slugs from them can be painful, especially after a dozen shots. From the reports I have seen, Most V12s need something like 3 1/8 Dram eq or hotter to run. Stainless steel replacement guide rod and durable black Delrin slider sleeve will prevent the binding common to the OEM assembly. It has failures to eject. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. It is accurate. Upload or insert images from URL. The list calls 1400fps rifled slughs high powered ammo, but i have some Hornady 9 pellet 00 that runs 1600fps. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. Pasted as rich text. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. Semi-auto AK-style shotguns arent new, and weve reviewed them before on the site. Is that normal? I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. Ergonomics: * ** * Per 100 or 200. Beads only work when mounted directly to the barrel and people honestly miss with them a lot. This has functioned flawlessly and very accurate, I have used all sorts of OEM and after market magazines, in fact recently purchased a few of the 25 round drum magazines. Price is a super hard one, but value could be a legit thing to rank in cases where it actually does affect the overall (and, btw, Im completely guessing as to why Nicks overall is lower than the average of the categories it could be value plus 1,000 other tiny things that didnt deserve categories of their own but brought the average down). (I know that it probably would not cause this issue, but it's something easy to check). There could be some metal shavings or residue in the trigger components that might be causing this issues, but that is just a guess. A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. MAGS INCLUDED. If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial.. I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. In case you look for improvement and tuning of your rifle i warmly suggest to consider this option. So bottom line, great gun. Press J to jump to the feed. (1) 8 Rd Magazine and (1) 5 Rd Magazine. The slide locks back easily by pushing the little button in front of the trigger guard (just behind the magazine release paddle). I have also posted the same message over at vepr.org as some folks may not know about you guys here at saiga-12.com. It has a side-folding two-strut folding stock with a buttpad and reversible cheekpad. My long saga was over. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. So Second, see my comment right above yours. Chamber: 3" / 76 mm. Price was 799.99 and was from Classic Arms. Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Then you mention the xrail as if it is a viable and useful alternative instead of the uber-expensive, unreliable, heavy piece of crap it is in reality? I repair a lot of tube fed guns. VEPR 12 issues. First, there are four (4) ratings before the overall. All of the High Brass ammo that was 1300 FPS and above worked great. Yeah. I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. I get lots of help. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. And it accepts 10 rd drums At the same height as a 5-rd stick magazine. My Saiga 12 is mostly a range toy. Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. Apparently, guy who has made way too many posts. Two groups of 8 rounders = 32 rounds and is way less cumbersome than the drums and reloads leave other semiautos and pumps in the dust. Nick, if you hate AKs thats fine just dont review them and make excuses for why you give them bad reviews without justification. [Get your minds out of the gutter], Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. The VEPR-12 model features an ambidextrous safety, a reimagined magazine feeding mechanism . I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. It holds enough ammo for any situation and is easy to load on the march. Once the jams start happening is it continuous through the rest of the magazine or sporadic? In the meantime Im giving it one more star than I gave the Saiga-12. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if Im spending this much money Id like to actually be able to use it for something. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. Light recoil for a 12 gauge. Positioned about in the same spot that the bolt hold open tab was for the Saiga-12 shotgun, the tab now works as a bolt release allowing you to press this one tab and let the bolt slide home. We shoot through a full magazine of mix batch random ammo for a nice surprise for the shooter. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. Ownership in Russia requires only a smoothbore-gun license. Not to mention your problems are things that others (such as Tim over on MAC) love, and Im thinking Nick just hates the idea of an AK shotgun period and will find any excuse to bash them. This did nothing either. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. For a purchase of 700 (on line all day long) and another, perhaps 100 or less, to make it 922(r) compliant, you cannot find a more reliable shot gun that can shoot assorted types of ammo without adjusting the gas. The gun ran better. The areas in blue should be left in tact. Others online claim that this fixed their cycling issues, but it did nothing for me. Also, like the IZ-433, the gas block lacks a screw in gas adjuster. I fire the magnum slugs, I dont see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. The VEPR-12 semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun from Molot seems designed to change the game. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. Ive never seen that XRAIL system before. Glad I held off on a Saiga. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. I also paid $630 for it during Firearmageddon last year. Molot VEPRSHOTGUN. there are a ton of gun videos there. . I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor You need to bend the pegs of your hammer spring towards the outside of the receiver. Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. I also like shotguns a lot, so having a few choices now is nice. ATF is always looking for a new avenue of prosecution. Check it out at www.cobras-custom.com if you need help! A lot of TTAGs overall star ratings mention that theyre comparing the gun to similar guns in a similar price range. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release. cause to beleave its not they just cant arrest us or hold u, they need reason befor they ack, You have entered an incorrect email address! Its pretty much always the same malfunction. $2,699.99. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. mossberg-silver-reserve-for-sale Take your finger and slowly push the follower downward as deep as you possibly can. Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. for Vepr built-in. Polishing Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 Author: takkuta Had a Saiga 12 and it was a fun range gun. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. Am i allowed to post a youtube link? If it does not release the follower and let it return to its resting position. With the Vepr, I went through about 50 and didnt have a sore shoulder. Check out our video on the Russian Molot VEPR-12 and tell us what you think. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. amen to that. The benelli M2 tactical starts at 1,499 plus tax plus dros. Sold it when I was stationed in California because the AK platform is per se illegal in the state and I play by the rules. Has anyone else had this problem? The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. I really didnt have a good reason to buy it other than the fact that they arent being imported anymore. Does anyone know if the 20-shot drum magazine (for instance for Saiga) operates with this Molot Vepr? My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). So what if it is made in the USA? is this normal? I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. Thanks guys. No problems for me as of yet. Most obvious is probably that the gun comes from the factory configured the way youd want it. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. Get yourself some higher capacity magazines and prop it by the bedroom door loaded with buckshot and youre nearly guaranteed to kill whatever busts down your door. And with it locked back, the trigger is locked. The first thing I noticed was that the action cycled incredibly smoothly.I'm talking way more smoothly than what I remembered before sending it off. I got great assurance from one FFL was that the AR/AK style was fine complete with the . firearmsshop produces the most quality armor products such as AK-47 AK-74,So you can click on the link below to place your order. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. ak-74-for-sale The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Not sure about VEPR shotguns, but their AK-47 https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/ are top notch! My Saiga-12 shtogun review comes to mind, in which I detailed exactly why the gun was a piece of crap and the fan boys retorted with well, obviously you need to fix the gun before you test it! Modeled after the iconic Kalashnikov rifle, the Russian semi-automatic VEPR-12 was specifically designed for law enforcement, military, and civilian professional competition. What would happen is the quality would degrade. Do you have any pictures? First off ditch the SGM mag. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. It turned out to be the gas ports in the gas block. yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. I also did not use any magnums. An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. Saiga-12.com Corporation I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. Hence the fat portion of the piston. You are all CRAZY. Instead, the piston is accessed in a manner familiar to users of traditional Kalashnikov rifles, by removal of the gas tube. ak-74-for-sale The vast majority of VEPR12 shotguns work fine, it's just a couple percent which have been reported to be having these issues. With these considerations in mind, Molot introduced unique features, such as the ambidextrous safety selector, the bolt hold-open mechanism and a simplified magazine feeding mechanism. The 1276 marking means you can shoot 3 inch shells out of this gun. A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? buy-ak47 I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. Herters Multidefense Shotshells The ultimate knockdown power with a 0.65 round lead ball, backed by six No. By and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute Even then some just do not like light loads. Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. Overall Rating: * * * Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. Showing up without them; likely. Factory threaded barrel (thread pattern is the same as Saiga) Caliber: 12-gauge. Still, your point remains. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. where-to-buy-guns Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. We. I did add a forward grip, get a picatiny rail, two allen screws with anchors, remove the bottom stock, install the two screws with anchors and reassemble. I will be doing a conversion on it in the future so for now I will stick with the 5 round mags until it meets 922R. Gifts sure. I have fired several hundreds of rounds with my Folding Stock, VEPR 12. And Id be swapping the stock for something thats not welded open and awkward, so might as well get something American while doing that, giving you another compliance part. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. Given that, it was easy to let the Saiga goguessing the Vepr wouldnt be much different. That is American ingenuity at work. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. I hope that some of this information will help those of you out there who are having problems similar to mine. I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". That is the bolt lock. If youre running in open division then this is definitely an option, but consider that for the same price you can have a Mossberg 930 with an XRAIL and have 22 rounds at your disposal before needing to reload, and still have a normal shotgun in every other way. sure Ill have to replace a couple parts but the mag does count as one of them. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. is 2ed probem if gun not part of the arreast or being stop they cant check it, u need be on radar of atf or fbi, , saying this stay in complace of the laws u wont have probems the law can be challenge and defeated makes no sence , ack upgrading the gun to usa parts can make gun more latheal dont they even know this. Top quality upgrade replacement for your Vepr-12. Unfortunately it had cycling problems the entire time. You can post now and register later. VEPR-12 Shotgun Specifications: Caliber: 12ga Barrel: 19 inches Capacity: 4+1 MSRP: $1,199 ( Buds) You take equipment from the factory and are willing to pan something if its bad. Its pretty reasonable to expect a new gun to work (feed, fire, eject) as it comes out of the box. 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