He said: ., Do not enter (the dwelling places) of these people unless you enter weeping, but if you weep not, then do not enter upon them, lest you be afflicted with what they were afflicted with [Bukhari]. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. After the destruction of Ad, Thamud succeeded them in power and grandeur. Having similar names doesnt mean much Traditionally, both the prophets Hud and Saleh and by implication, their respective communities Aad andThamud, are thought to have existed generations before Abraham, placing them well before 1300 BC (at the very least1). It describes what they used to do i.e. They are related to Thamd only in being much later structures sharing the same geographical location. So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. 62-63]. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. The Story of The Aad And The Thamud Nation_ Qur'an __ | _ Dua for Relief Distress, Laziness, Debts : Suhih Muslim_ Book of General Behaviour_ Kitab al Suhih Muslim_ The Book of Destiny (KITAB-UL-QADR) Chapter___ Raising Index Finger in Tashahhud. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. They became two parties quarreling with each other. Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks Honestly I dont understand the confusion at and all of it has been dealt with above. . He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. (LogOut/ In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? But I digress. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. They carved-out habitations on the hills and mountainscaves constructed on high places. The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. Their dwellings remained but very partially 9. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. declares the LORD. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). Thus, if the Quran is in error about the identities of whoever carved out the structures in Madian Salehor wherever else the Thamud livedthe Bible is also in error when it claims a pre-Nabatean people carved out structures in the mountains of Edom. I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. They mistreated the lower classes and worshiped others besides Allah. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. Think over this in detail. The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. What do u think? Thus, there was a latter 'Ad as well, whom some exegetes considered the people of Thamud. Archaeological sites [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. No doubt! Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. And they used to deny Our Ayat! We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. (LogOut/ [23] Arab tribes such as Banu Muzaina migrated, and the Arab Muslims in the region had more impact on the culture of the Maghreb than the region's conquerors before and after them. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today But the Thamud let their education and knowledge go to their heads. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. But unlike most of the others, these two stand out for not having any clear counterpart in the Judeo-Christian tradition a wellspring of Middle Eastern traditions, of which Islam draws in so small measure. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. Sargon II (d. 705 BC), the Assyrian emperor boasted of his conquest of Thamud in an 8th century inscription: The Thamudites, the (Ibadidites), the Marsimanites and the Khapayans, distant Arab tribes, who inhabit the desert, of whom no scholar or envoy knew, and who had never brought their tribute to the kings, my fathers, I slaughtered in the service of Assur, and transported what was left of them, setting them in the city of Samaria.. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? 12. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. Change). Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. By not on the surface, I mean that they did not exist like a proper city or open to any passer by and were deep inside some unvisited territory. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allahs Messenger () in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of Thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. Also is 27:52 past tense or present sorry to keep bothering you but these are it, Because you said 27:52 said they are destroyed fallen buy 89:9 makes it sound like there still standing clean and like brand new etc, 5. They may have even intermingled to the point of losing any distinction along ethnic lines as there is no good reason or evidence to preclude the idea that the Thamud also ventured and lived in Petra and the surrounding areas. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. : | _ books. [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. That these are the people of Aad, is hinted by a Nabataean inscription in Wadi Ramm, at a temple dedicated to the goddess Allat. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . Who can bring me down to the ground? 4 Though you soar like the eagle The Nabateans The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. You have no god other than Him. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. Man, you must be crazy. The points raised by alfinlandi are very reasonable to counter the points of the article. Their destruction was like a forest being mowed down by giant machines. 4. The video (arabic): https://youtu.be/0XIPP6vsDmA. 5. 2. 5. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. 4. They were 6 meters tall! The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. When some one has a keen desire to understand logically or has questions, there is nothing wrong I think. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. Secondly, the Ayaat are not only meant for the Sahaba, they are also for us and for all times and so when the Quran asks the readers to look at what happened to those before, it is meant for us as well. The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. The 2 verses are very generic in that they describe the general civilizations over time that have been destroyed or have perished but their signs remain behind. The verses are fairly generic as there has been mention of people of Lut and Shoaib that are also very close proximity. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. Because were left with no records which can help in our archeological inquiry, even dating the structures becomes a difficult, and perhaps, an impossible task. Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. Seeking blessings from relics of the righteous? [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649 Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. According to the Greek historian, Diodorus Siculus, the Nabateans have a law neither to sow corn nor to plant any fruit-bearing plant, nor to use wine, nor to build a house. 89:9 is in past tense. It would be unsurprising then, to find them in the archaeological/literary records related to ancient Arabia. The ruined abandoned wells and ruined lofty palaces were present at the time of the Prophet (). Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. You would only make my loss greater. Suhih Muslim _ The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat || Html Code Widget || Blogger Website Blog || At _ The story of cow. Your email address will not be published. Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. You built mansions on the plains and hewed the hills into houses[7:74]. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. . Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. where they used to live. 2. There was a great influx of Arab tribes into Khuzestan from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Ka'b and Banu Lam from the Arabian desert. Or there fallen down relics were better than yours in the past but not better now. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. It doesnt speak about being touched or untouched. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih), Forty Hadith al-Nawawi in English and Arabic, Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah in English and Arabic, Forty Hadith on Purification of the Heart. And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. If they were made for dead bodies, it stands to reason that we should find at least one dead body in them. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. Can you explain how 89:9 is in the past tense (used to carve) because the AL (the) before the mountions bit makes it sound like in the preasent like specific if you know what I mean jazzakkallah Guiding Romantic Desire: Wisdom in the Sexual Ethics of Islam, Custodianship of the Right Hand: Concubinage, Rape, and Sexual Slavery in Islam. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. This has led traditional Muslim historians to place the two quite early in history, much before the time of even Abraham and Moses. And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. Seriously? ""- . And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa. Trying to make sense of this mad, mad world, And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], Worship Allah and avoid Taghut. And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. you will be utterly despised. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally Secondly, 15:81 makes it clear that they denied a Messenger sent to them and were destroyed as a consequence. Well, next to nothing. As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. 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