MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Andrew is dead. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. I'm tired of this. Defo a good read. It doesnt go away.. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. They were living like students, says the Rev. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. . I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. kind of panic sets in, I guess. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. The two eventually lived together again. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. MORRISON: What do you do about this? What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Whom was also a doctor. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. This story broke my heart. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. He was the whole world to them. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. MORRISON: But then things changed. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. And now I want to read the book. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. They have a network of supporters. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. "He was beautiful," Kate . They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Right, right. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. She was here.' While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. I kind of. Get Morning Report and other email newsletters. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. But something kept me going, and. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. What if she is backed in a. corner? I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Zachary's arrival pierced the hatred toward Turner that flooded the Bagbys' lives after they lost their only son. A tragedy that could have been prevented. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? It's great. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. her. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Please try again. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. And he'd be like(turns. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. I just want to get through medical school.'. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. will not hurt Zachary, period. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Shirley. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? And I said, `Who?' Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. ', KATE: He's so loved. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. She was born to the late th Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. Did anybody want to take them? David says. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. One of the best books that I have ever read. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. I mean, she. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Cpl. Its rage with me, he says. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. They're like, `What do you mean?' He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. That word closure? So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. This is a fantastic book. I think about the Bagby family all the time. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Not always. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. 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